When I first moved to the rurals I was so surprised at how the pioneers would look in people's windows when they thought the householder wasn't home. They would talk about moving in to the house after Armageddon had destroyed those wicked goats!
mrs rocky2
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disturbing thoughts from witness site
by detective ini found this on a purelanguage.net thread.
what smug, bizarre, self-satisfied comments.
it's sad that these folks don't realize how ugly some of the things they say (and apparently think) really are.. an excerpt:.
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struggling & need feedback
by wildeflower ini am 32 years old, have been disfellowshipped since age 17. was born & raised in the "truth.
" my father was and still is an elder.. without going into the gory, painful details: i have kept in somewhat contact with my parents in the last 15 years (i can't believe it's been that long!
) by calling them and popping over to their house, etc.
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mrs rocky2
I'm so sorry you have to deal with so much emotional pain. You are not alone. My husband and I wrote a boundary setting letter to my father a number of years ago (they live several hundred miles away) because we were tired of his controlling behavior. (Somehow it doesn't seem right to feel like you would rather be dead after visiting your family, which is the point we had reached after visiting my parents for only a weekend.) My father, an elder, chose to be proud and arrogant, felt accused of things we didn't accuse him of, and has chosen to ignore us, has told the rest of the family that my husband has turned me and the children away from contact with him (evil husband now). Until about three years ago we were pillars in the local congregation, very regular meeting attenders and participants. The very carefully written letter asked for efforts to improve our communication, and instead it made things worse.
JWs think they have the handle on Christ like love. Unfortunately they don't see that the love they show is not extended unconditionally to family members. You are a bigger person than they are if you continue to accept them as they are and try to maintain some contact. Of course, you need to do what is emotionally healthy for yourself. For me, emotionally healthy means very limited contact. Love is forever. Love even puts up with people who don't show love in return. Their loss.
We have a friend who is DF'd and went to his JW daughter's house, knocked on the door, they let him in and let him visit his grandchild. It's a start. You can say anything to them you want - it's the ones still in the Borg who are limited. So at least they know you have love in you. To do this you have to expect a certain amount of rejection, and be ready to protect your emotions, in other words, you can't wear your emotional self out where it will get hurt.
None of this is easy, there is no perfect answer to the problem. Love is the answer - it's just so hard to show when it is not returned.
Wish I could make it all better for you!
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Ignorance of Silent Lambies
by proplog2 inwhat a bunch of wall paper.
99% of the people on this forum are hopelessly believers in one sided non-sense.
i am tired of the abusive language that has been dumped on me by otherwise respectable participants.
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mrs rocky2
I tried real hard to read each and every post, and do so with an open mind...I find it way too easy to become emotional about silent lambs. I go to work everyday and see the results of sexual predators - I work in a social services agency specifically funded to treat victims of sexual assault. The devastation to people (men and women) does not go away with politically correct phraseology ("should not have happened" v "it would have been better if"). The scars are deep. I personally do not believe strongly in repressed memory stuff but I do believe victims have vivid pictures of what they think is repressed memories to compensate for their personal (but wrong) view that they are somehow at guilt for their sexual assault. The mind, in it's attempt to survive does incredible things.
JW victims cannot utilize the criminal justice system, DNA testing,etc. because 1) they are strongly discouraged from reporting or going to the hospital for testing when the accused is a fellow witness; 2) children are often not believed (no two witnesses) 3) how do you test for DNA when the abuse is not discovered until the victim is an adult? 4) the victim is obligated to forgive if the offender says they are sorry.
I do understand the concern many have of being falsely accused and the damage to a person's reputation. There are people with personality disorders who would not think twice about making accusations falsely. However, it is rare. And if you are a "good" JW you won't be putting yourself in a situation where an accusation could be made without proof, i.e. never be alone with someone of the opposite sex, especially children.
I know too many silent lambs personally to ignore this issue. It would be the same as allowing them to be molested all over again if I didn't say something....
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My Response To J R Brown
by silentlambs inmy response to j. r. brown.
i am writing to follow up with information concerning j. r. browns response to comments i made to the media regarding watchtowers policy hurting children and protecting pedophiles.
in the course of the last year the jehovahs witness public information department headed by j. r. brown and local elders have repeatedly offered misinformation to the public.
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mrs rocky2
Thank you for posting your letter. The folks in my office have been following this story for awhile. They were the first to show me newspaper articles about Erica's civil suit. This is information they need to know to get the full picture of how the WT operates. Several serve on area victims'advocacy boards.
Mrs R
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Rodriguez vs WBTS in newsradio in Seattle today
by Calico_Cat inkiro reported the lawsuit filed by erica against the elders in.
her former eastern washington congregation and against the governing body for not doing anything about her sexual molester.
according to the news, that when she went to the elders to expose belize--the elders threatened to disfellowship her if she go to court.
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mrs rocky2
Hi y'all
There was an article in today's Spokesman Review. MadApostate posted it in his thread. Mulan posted the Seattle Times article too.FYI Spokane is almost 300 miles from Seattle, in case anyone wants to get picky about geography.
Mrs R
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Bad news, folks!
by TweetieBird inmy teenage son approached my husband and me yesterday to inform us that he wants to get baptized at the summer convention.
ugh!.
he hasn't shown an interest in witness things for several months until a cousin from up north came to visit and took him out in service all day.
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mrs rocky2
Last summer a friend's daughter went through the questions and was determined to get baptized. Her dad showed her the two questions currently being asked of baptismal candidates and the two questions asked prior to the new OM questions. These days a person is baptized and dedicated to Jehovah and the WTBTS. When I was baptized (early 70s) the dedication was to Jehovah and Christ. She mentioned these differences to the brother going over the questions with her. Her dad was disfellowshipped over this matter. So she decided not to go through with baptism. I don't think their discussions were terribly emotional. Our friend was rather matter of fact in pointing the information out to her. Don't know if this helps at all.
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Always the same cong's doing the drama?
by Simon inour congregation never once did a drama at an assembly.. my wife's congregation didn't either.. but some seemed to do them every year!.
was this favouritism or 'simony' do you reckon?
(a terrible word .
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mrs rocky2
I helped do makeup and facial hair for one drama in 1976. My brother has been in at least 2 dramas, my dad only one. It does seem like the same folks are involved. Think it has something to do with who is assigned the as director, how close they are to the convention city, how many pioneers (some more of that service time they get to count). My kids loved the dramas, even tho some of the acting was corny. Its all lip synced, of course, for that united in worship thing, sort of like the canned music. I've missed the last few years of conventions but don't think the dramas are what they used to be. More of a modern flavor, not as long, like everything else - not terribly spiritually enlightening or encouraging.
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"What If The WT Told You to...
by Francois in... get your gun out and go to any church of christendom on a certain sunday a few weeks after the publication date of the watchtower that was making the demand, and open up on the congregation?".
that question was asked of active jws in good standing by richard hickman, whom many of you know, when he was doing research for a book he was writing.
strangely enough, the most common answer went something like this:.
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mrs rocky2
Let me quote my dad, a staunch, died in the wool JW elder: "I'm just following orders." Rocky asked him if he had joined a club. His reply was affirmative. He's ex military, but pre Vietnam. With all the bad press Vietnam got with the US military gunning down innocent villagers you would think more people would think twice before 'just following orders.' I don't think most rank and file JWs would follow through with the gun thing, but there are some who wouldn't question the WTS generated life and death issues. Remember Malawi.
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Mother's Letter To Start Off The New Year...
by silentlambs ini received this letter from my mother over the weekend, it came with a card and a special note to my children.
i plan to let them read it someday, not today..... silentlambs.
december 20,2001 .
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mrs rocky2
Bill - how sad! we feel your pain. There has been a lot of discussion on whether to send the letter or not. Rocky and I both still have JW parents, we are not DA'd or DF'd. Think about this - mom needs to know that she taught you to always stand up for the little guy, which is what you are doing. She is asking you to deny the very things she taught you as a JW child and to violate your conscience. Tell her it is your Bible trained conscience that moves you to support a right cause.
As for the children, we had a disagreement with my dad over 10 years ago. We laid some boundaries with him (he called every Saturday and asked why we weren't out in service), tried to lay guilt trips on Rocky because he didn't want to be a servant (the brothers recommended him but he has always been a rogue), etc. We invited my parents to talk to our kids via the mail as verbal communication was extremely poor (he said, she said, no I didn't say that). Anyway, through the whole process our children were informed of everything. They saw all the letters. Our children, now college age, have made the decision to not become JWs. Both are still extremely good and moral. Both have managed their contact with grandparents well. Kids are very adept at seeing the issues that we parents miss in the cult world. When they have all the information they seem to always side with the under dog, especially when the under dog is in the right. If the kids know the whole story and visit the grandparents you can be sure discussion will occur. The grandparents will have a hell of a time ignoring the pleas of grandchildren supporting a noble cause.
We loved your letter, whether you decide to send it or not. We tend to agree with LB that sometimes simple is the best, especially if on an emotional note (on the vein of what we wrote above). If you have sent it - way to go, give 'em hell Bill!
The best to you - none of us should have to deal with all the emotional garbage!
Rocky and
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Mrs Rocky's new user name
by mrs rocky2 inthere's so many folks posting i doubt that this is important to but a few.
rocky didn't like getting so many e-mail notices about my posts so he had me change the e-mail address.
something got mixed up (probably me) and i didn't get my new password notice.
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mrs rocky2
There's so many folks posting I doubt that this is important to but a few. Rocky didn't like getting so many e-mail notices about my posts so he had me change the e-mail address. Something got mixed up (probably me) and I didn't get my new password notice. So changed my UserName to mrs rocky2. Am looking forward to being back on the board! Happy New Year to all!